Deep Green Transphobia II

16 May

by Earth First! News

deep_green_transphobiaRarely do comments to internet posts warrant much attention. In many ways the comments section is where people go to blast their most anonymous and ugly thoughts. However, a recent comment posted on the Earth First! Journal collective’s statement regarding Deep Green Resistance offers a great deal of depth and striking analysis of the issue of trans struggles, feminism, the police state and the ecological resistance movement as well as a brief account of oppressive thought and action within the Earth First! Movement. It is included below, unedited, for discussion. We hope that organizers of DGR will include these discussions in their future meetings and gatherings:

Thank you for taking this stance EF! folks. I used to be a part of more eco defense stuff back in the day in Katuah – am now more involved in anti prison struggles with prisoners on the other side of the state…..Regardless, its nice to come across this and see people keeping it real. EF! has had a long series of internal battles, crises of identity if you will, over the years, trying to preserve the best of its roots while working past the xenophobia and latent racism and nationalism and sexism of some of its founders (abbey, foreman, etc.), and its fully in line with that struggle to take this stand. Dont listen to DGR defenders who say this “divides the movement” – these kinds of moments may be painful, but they are absolutely necessary. There are some divisions worth having. (And if you dont believe me, read a history of the popular front in spain!)

Feminism, particularly the non-liberal, anti-capitalist varieties, has also had to go through those internal struggles in the US. Much of it has a history of middle class bourgeious irrelevance, and even the radical and materialist varieties have struggled since the 70′s to get beyond certain issues in their own perspectives. One of these is essentialist notions of gender which, uncritically and without reflection, treat women as a “class” in and of themselves, with little qualification. Personally, i don’t think feminism or the struggle against patriarchy is losing anything to admit that the women who are struggling against rapist prison guards ARE NOT in the same “class” as the women politicians and women police who put them there. From my correspondence and conversations, im pretty convinced these prisoners dont feel “on the same team” as such women! Aside from this 2nd analysis that tended to universalize the vastly different experiences of different women, this perspective has fueled anti trans diatribes for years.

The irony here is that some of the most badass feminists I know are trans – both trans women, trans men, and genderqueer. The fact that people like Lierre Keith refer to these transmen as “traitors” seeking to “obtain male privilege” is unbelievably insulting, and shows just how few transmen she’s actually close to. I’m reminded in particular of a badass group of folks called the country kings, a drag troupe i used to co organize anti prison events with, constituted by transmen and women and who are all badass feminists to the core. They have taught me so much – and i cant help but hear Keith’s words in my head while thinking of them, and just…..laugh.

The other irony is that, even among the ‘ciswomen’ i know, many are attacked or face hate crimes or homelessness or unemployment precisely because they look “too masculine” or “dykish” – in other words, for being gender non conforming. TONS of lesbians im friends with have faced this, people who Keith would probably want to call comrade. Could it possibly be more clear that the violence used in our culture to police boundaries of gender is connected to the violence used to police our sexualities, all of which is connected to the violence used to police women? Could it be any more clear that for some women oppression means not getting to become a head of state able to start wars and hire cops and destroy the earth, while for other women it means a life of prison or abuse or wage slavery or cancer? Are radfems incapable of a more nuanced feminist analysis, beyond “women as a class?”

No one I know is arguing that trans women don’t grow up with certain kinds of privilege that other women wont experience. (For that matter, I dont know any transwomen who would say their experience is identical to a ciswoman’s, in part because there IS NO universally identical experience of ‘womenhood.’) If some people are arguing this, then theyre flatout wrong, but this hardly justifies the position taken by DGR and radfems, nor is it something one is likely to find in the pages of any well known radical trans or gender queer type authors, be it judith butler, leslie feinberg, or kate bornstein.

Ultimately, history has moved on; its no longer the 1970s. The burden of proof is now on radfems and DGR to demonstrate how feminism actually benefits from not recognizing trans men and trans women as the gender pronoun they choose, as people who face all kinds of discrimination and oppression, alongside queer and LGB folks. If they fail at this, as they are, they will be left behind. If their strategy is to police the boundaries of “woman” as a category, then they need to demonstrate how that actually helps the struggle against patriarchy. In part this bumps up against an inconvenient fact that most other, more recent waves of feminism (3rd wave, anarchafeminists, 4th wave, etc.) have explicitly recognized: ‘Woman’ is not a universal, consolidated class, nor is patriarchy a system of oppression disconnected from other systems of control and exploitation. Patriarchy exists, but it cannot do so without the other systems of capitalism and state power and white supremacy alongside which it has co-evolved. Patriarchy has no particular problem in the 21st century hiring women politicians, women CEOS, women cops, and women prison guards to keep these systems going. There are women who imprison other women for fighting back against their abuser. Being a woman does not automatically make you a comrade, or even someone on our side of the barricades. This does not undermine the basic foundations of feminism, but it certainly gives pause when considering the strategy of DGR and radfems of policing the boundaries of “woman as a class.” In such a context, why would we want to police the label? Why would we insult potential friends and comrades with an absolute refusal to recognize trans people, all in the name of policing “woman?” For that matter, why would we want to police at all?

Personally, given the choice between a transman co worker as a comrade or a born-female cop, ill choose the former. But thankfully i dont have to make that choice, because there are all kinds of badass anarchist women and trannies and queers and men and kids and old folks on our side, who are loving and worth all the respect and recognition we can give them.

So thanks EF! journal, for keeping it real.

(PS with joining the likes of chris hedges in hating on our peeps, did we even need another reason to drop DGR?)

25 Responses to “Deep Green Transphobia II”

  1. sweet tea May 16, 2013 at 6:14 pm #

    hey yall, wow, thanks for making this comment a story. i would have properly edited it had I known! a couple of retroactive edits, then – “2nd” should read “2nd wave” , and “country kings” should actually have been spelled “cuntry kings,” the group’s actual name. otherwise, wutevs. thanks again for taking the stance yall did. and thanks to whoever initiated burritogate 2013, or is it the magic marker massacre??

    • North Feralina May 16, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

      Your articulation, as usual, is immaculate. Being on the right side of your analysis this time around is such a pleasurable sensation.

      • sweet tea May 16, 2013 at 10:43 pm #

        haha, fair nuff.

    • Luna May 17, 2013 at 5:51 am #

      thanks for writing this!


  2. Found this statement on facebook:

    I am an ex-member of Deep Green Resistance. The entire chapter of DGR that I was a part of left in the spring of last year, largely in response to the trans-exclusive policy and the Radical Feminist position on gender that was being adopted by the organization at that time.

    When I had first joined the organization, I was told by key founders of the organization, including Aric McBay – who is the primary author of the book Deep Green Resistance and the sole author of the strategy that the organization promotes, Decisive Ecological Warfare – that the Radical Feminist position was not the official position of the organization.

    When it became clear that the staff of DGR was intent on making the Radical Feminist position the official position of the organization, our local chapter tried to open spaces for dialogue on this issue. We were denied. It was made clear to us that there was no room in the organization for dissenting opinions on the subject of gender, and that if we didn’t like what the organization was doing on this front, then we had to leave.

    It was also made clear to us that a particular member of our chapter, a wonderful organizer who also happened to be a transwoman, who consistently expressed a tremendous amount of willingness to compromise with the national organization on their position on trans people and trans access, was not going to be met halfway. There was to be no meaningful conversation. There was to be no debate. There wasn’t even a compassionate attempt to break down and explain where people with the Radical Feminist position were coming from. We were told to get with the program or leave, so we left, and other chapters and individuals followed, including Aric McBay himself.

    Since then, I have been honest with people asking about my former involvement with DGR and about the organization itself, but I have refused to bash the organization entirely. Most people who I have heard criticizing the ideas of DGR clearly have never read the book and clearly do not understand anything about what the organization is actually saying about how the strategy of Decisive Ecological Warfare can help stop the destruction of the planet in the time we have left. They have often grossly mischaracterized DGR’s position on a number of things, and I have done everything that I can to correct them. The one thing that I have not been able to defend – and will not defend – is the behavior they exhibited at the time of our departure and their adoption of an unyielding Radical Feminist position on trans people.

    The reason I am stepping forward now is this: I do not want people unfamiliar with the material in the book Deep Green Resistance, the writings of Lierre Keith and Derrick Jensen, and anti-civ thought in general, to associate or equate these things with transphobia. One of my greatest fears has been that people would come to do so, which is one of the reasons that I and many ex-members of DGR have gone out of their way to not bash the organization. But in the conversation that’s unfolding right now on the internet, I can see that people are beginning to associate anti-civ thought with the Rad Fem position on gender and with trans-exclusivity.

    I am a queer male (and for the Radical Feminists reading this, I refer to myself as queer not because of a post-modernist understanding of gender and sexuality, but because I am against assimilation and the mainstream gay rights movement agenda and identify myself as “queer” and not “gay” in order to make that distinction). I am in community with a number of beautiful, powerful trans people. I completely support their right to dignity, their freedom to do what they will with their own bodies and spirits, and their struggles against the violence that they experience. I am also anti-civ. I believe that it is crucial that radicals of all stripes come to understand the fundamental links between civilization and patriarchy, empire, slavery, genocide, and ecocide. I am also in full support of the strategy to save the planet that was written by Aric McBay, and that DGR is promoting, Decisive Ecological Warfare. I think everyone who cares about the fate of the planet should read that strategy and do what they can to promote it, engage with it, and support it.

    I also think that radicals should be reading Lierre Keith’s The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice and Sustainability and the work of Derrick Jensen. More than that, I plead that y’all do. Lierre Keith’s book is quite possibly the most powerful, compassionate, and critical primer on ecology, food politics, nutrition, and the destructive legacies of agriculture out there. If I could give every person in my life a copy of one book, it would be hers. I have never stopped promoting her work, or the work of Derrick Jensen, who writes some of the most thorough and brave explorations of the origins and manifestations of the dominant culture’s violence that I have ever seen. I think the second and third book I would give everyone in my life are volumes one and two of his Endgame. Further, I think that these two people are in fact really good people. I disagree with them on trans people, and I have critical questions about their silence on the existence and struggles of queer and gay people in general, but I agree with them on nearly everything else and recognize them as wounded people who have shortcomings like the rest of us.

    I don’t say this to belittle the importance of the conversation on the nature of gender and what that means for trans people. What I am saying is that people shouldn’t dismiss the entirety of what these authors, and the organization Deep Green Resistance, have to say. In fact, I am pleading that radicals get their hands on a copy of the book Deep Green Resistance, the book of which Aric McBay is the primary author. It is a crucial read for everyone who cares about the fate of the left and the fate of the planet. Disagree with it or not, it needs to be engaged with, and on its own terms, and not through sweeping dismissal grounded on heresay and rumor. If you’re going to critique it, read it first.

    I am also pointing out that we as radicals often find ourselves learning from people who we wouldn’t agree with entirely. An example: Frantz Fanon was crucial to my radicalization around racism and colonialism, and I took a lot from his work, despite the fact that he is a patriarchal homophobe. Hell, gay and queer experience is almost entirely absent from most of the anti-capitalist, anti-racist, and otherwise radical literature that I’ve read, but that hasn’t kept me from taking those analyses and ideas and giving them a home in my own queer heart, mind, and body. When it comes to Lierre Keith, Derrick Jensen, and the book Deep Green Resistance, I am asking that people do the same.

    And the reason why is because the planet is being murdered. We are losing the world. We’re about to blow past the 400 ppm mark, and another two hundred species went extinct today. The most important thing that we on the left can be doing is fighting against what the powerful are doing to the planet, the indigenous, and poor people around the world. Instead, I see us fighting with each other. This horizontal hostility has got to stop. We can still engage with one another critically. In fact, we must engage with each other critically. But we need to recognize the difference between doing that and being ineffective, dismissive hecklers.

    I think the organization Deep Green Resistance is effectively dead in the water. It grieves me to say so, because the heart of what they are saying is so important, and virtually no one else is saying it. I am astounded with what seems to be a profound and abiding death urge on their part. They know that the position they are adopting on trans people is alienating and isolating them from the overwhelmingly majority of the communities that might otherwise support them and work with them. They are committing political suicide, and they know it. They seem to think that holding on to this position is more important than the health of the work that they set out to do in the first place. They seem to think it’s more important than the fight to save the planet. Regardless of what people like me say, many people will come to associate anti-civ analysis and Decisive Ecological Warfare with transphobia. Regardless of what people like me say, more and more people who might otherwise listen to what people like Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith have to say about the planet, about civilization, and about resistance are going to tune them out instead, and even prevent them from speaking publicly about these things. This is more than sad. This is an awful, horrible thing to witness happening. I am almost beside myself with grief.

    When I watch the video of Rachel Ivey presenting DGR’s position on gender, what I hear and see is a lot of defensiveness. The tone of this video is also smug, condescending, self-righteous, and isolating – characterized by some of the very things that Lierre Keith has called out about the adolescent nature of the culture of the left. Rachel has a lot of things to say that are really compelling, and that I think should be critically engaged with by everybody, and she could have given the same talk in a completely different spirit, in a spirit that was inviting to the curious and to the dismissive alike, in a spirit that was compassionate and open-hearted. And this is the thing that I would express to DGR directly: y’all are going about this the wrong way. If y’all really believe that the position on gender that y’all have is crucial to dismantling patriarchy and our collective liberation, and the fight to save the planet, then y’all need to approach people with the same level of compassion, openness, and just plain respect that y’all would have when talking to people who’ve never heard of anti-civ analysis, or who don’t know the difference between liberalism and radicalism, or any number of the things that y’all probably find yourselves having to educate people about on a regular basis.

    The truth is that many of the public proponents of the Radical Feminist position on gender are incredibly disrespectful, mean-spirited, crude, and downright ugly when talking about and talking to trans people. To be certain, I’ve also seen disrespectful, mean-spirited, crude, and downright ugly responses by trans people and their supporters to Radical Feminists. But what I’m saying is that if Radical Feminists – including members of DGR – really want people to understand what they are actually trying to say, then they need to have – and express – a basic level of respect and compassion for trans people and trans experience. You can have an entirely different analysis of gender and still treat trans people as human beings worthy of basic consideration. You can still talk to people in a way that’s not smug, condescending, vitriolic, or hateful. Having a different analysis of gender than most leftists does not have to be an inherently hateful thing, but many Radical Feminists are being hateful in the way that they express their position. If DGR actually wants to have an impact on the conversation and an impact on the culture of the left with their message, then they need to publicly distance themselves from the hateful, hurtful language of many Radical Feminist leaders and authors, and they need to themselves engage with people on the topic in a compassionate and respectful way.

    In general, people with different analyses of gender need to be able to work together, or at the very least not go out of their way to attack one another, just like people with different analyses of civilization need to be able to work together, or at the very least not go out of their way to attack one another. With everything that’s at stake, if this is all it takes for us to actively attack one another, then we’re done for as radicals and we’re done for as a species.

    I ask that people who are anti-civ and/or supportive of the strategy and tactics outlined by Aric McBay’s work, including Decisive Ecological Warfare (DEW), and who are also gay, queer, trans, or supportive of trans people’s basic dignity, experience, and rights step forward publicly. Please help people understand that being anti-civ and supporting DEW does not mean taking up the Radical Feminist position on gender. Please help people understand that there is more to the work of authors like Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith than this. Please help people understand that even though there isn’t a home for gay, queer, and trans folks in the organization Deep Green Resistance, that there is a home for them in the greater struggle against the meta-culture of civilization and the struggle to bring down industrial civilization itself.

    With a Full Heart :: aidan

    • North Feralina May 16, 2013 at 7:17 pm #

      There was a home for them long before DGR was ever published, it’s called Earth First and the Earth Liberation Front. Both are looking for active participants.

    • Rednecks4Wilderness May 16, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

      This has been a long time coming and it’s not just about transphobia. Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith have lost their damn minds. The way they reproduce their own personal histories of abuse in their writing and organizing is horrific. It’s time to split this cult wide open. I can’t wait to meet all the amazing people who are fleeing it in droves.


      The Vegetarian Myth is one of the most specious and intellectually lazy books I’ve ever read. (I mean, come on. Yahoo Answers and Wikipedia on the works cited page? This isn’t a school project.)

    • sweet tea May 16, 2013 at 10:47 pm #

      An honest question, raised by this ex DGR’s comment – does DGR see itself as a part of the left? I keep reading an inference of that sort, but its seems just absolutely bizarre given the earlier books by jenson ive read. And i mean, really, the Left in 2013? It just seems like green anarchists and deep ecologists (and most other @s) got over that a long time ago, if it was ever an issue. DGR presenting itself as a leftist project might explain some things, but it would surprise me based on reading Endgame and other anti civ writings.

    • yaz (@nobodyforprezzz) May 17, 2013 at 10:48 pm #

      wow, i actually read your very long comment… *wipes brow*

      here’s the thing though: you can be a deep ecologist and a radical environmentalist, without dgr or reading that book for that matter – lots of us have been for a long time – and and more and more folks are growing open to the ideas all the time.

      that said, all oppressions are interconnected, and actually i have seen problems like these happen in various permutations across various radical spaces [even earth first ones!] and you know, ideally, we who want to grow and change and try and get some kinda uplift from this can totally do that, still.

      i think that we can have a loving spirit of deep ecological resistance in various forms while also not throwing entire classes of oppressed peoples under the bus.

      tl:dr = transphobia is neither radical nor feminist but can can learn from this and birddog the energy of it being very much a “hot issue” right now on various corners of the internet.

  3. Earth First! Journal Cascadia Office May 16, 2013 at 9:14 pm #

    Funny to read Keith’s take on class — being a trans-woman is like saying “I grew up poor, but I’m rich at heart.” Her comparison between being a woman and being rich is kind of bourgeois, no? Not to mention she contradicts the essentialist paradigm by saying that the point of feminism is that there are no genders. Lierre Keith’s logic:
    1) there are no genders
    2) “gender” is a social construct
    3) changing your gender identity is bad, because women don’t really exist
    4) so if you meet a trans woman, definitely call her and man, and refer to her with male pronouns, because feminism teaches us that gender doesn’t exist, right?

  4. Peter May 17, 2013 at 4:09 am #

    “No one I know is arguing that trans women don’t grow up with certain kinds of privilege that other women wont experience. ”

    …That’s exactly why radfems are critical of people who identify as women but who grew up being socially constructed otherwise: it covers up their privilege and distracts people from actually destroying the patriarchal roots of gender. Your actually one of the few trans advocates who i’ve seen admit that certain trans folks have privilege.

    Rad fems aren’t arguing that there is a universal class “where every class member has the same experience”, just as anarchists aren’t arguing that every member of the working class has the exact same personal experience being exploited by the bourgeoisie. The “universality” of class is in the fact that there is a systemic subordination of people who are female, or who are working class, or who are a racial minority. To deny this is reactionary. But hey, in postmodern society, reaction is revolution.

    • sweet tea May 17, 2013 at 11:28 am #

      ” it covers up their privilege and distracts people from actually destroying the patriarchal roots of gender. ”

      you re implying that a person who feels totally confined and constrained and abused by the gender category patriarchal has forced them into should not express that or rebel against that by transitioning or expressing genderqueer characteristics, even if it means their being able to attain a kind of peace and comfort in their body and their social life – because to do so ‘covers up their privilege?’ Do you realize how nuts you sound, and how youre just chucking a random abstraction at the desperate, often suicidal lived experience of lots of people?

      And really, who is ‘distracted from the patriarchal roots of gender’ by transpeople? Why does this distract you from struggles against patriarchy? It doesnt distract me, or all the badass trans men and women who are feminists that i know. If an individual trans person is reactionary, then thats bullshit, but this doesn’t justify nonrecognition of trans people in radical movements any more than bill cosby’s bullshit perspective on race justifies cops or prisons.

  5. mieprowan May 17, 2013 at 3:24 pm #

    A man who says he’s a woman has no right to demand entry to woman’s spaces, and a person socialized as a man who harasses women thusly is not going to be allowed into DGR. Basically you are operating on the idea that gender is mutable, unless you’re a transperson, in which case it’s innate. ???

    DGR has the internally consistent position that gender is an ingrained social construct used to oppress women. If this concept is offensive to you, you don’t belong in DGR. This is getting framed as targeting transpeople, when what it really is about, is definition of gender.

    DGR has specific goals and agendas and no, they don’t let just anyone in. As a supporter of DGR, I wish transpeople all the best in obtaining basic civil rights, such as the right to marriage, adoption, and to be free from abuse and economic discrimination. DGR is interfering with none of these struggles. But transpeople, by definition, are not operating with the parameters of DGR’s philosophy, and any attempts to get them to abandon the gender definition aspect are a waste of everyone’s time.

    • sweet tea May 17, 2013 at 4:47 pm #

      well that pretty much confirms the “no dissenting opinions” headline in the other story on this newswire….But really, how can you on the one hand say “I wish transpeople all the best” and at the same time say – that person has a penis, theyre male (‘ a man who says hes a woman’ , ‘penis=male’ ….cue any number of DGR supporters’ statements here). you can’t in the same comment say you support someones rights and then refuse to recognize who they are, what their lived experiences are.

      To your last line – i dont think anyone is at this point trying to get yall to abandon your view on gender and queerness and trans stuff – instead they’re dissassociating and leaving DGR in DROVES. Going, going, gone – from irrelevant and funny to irrelevant and sad.

    • yaz (@nobodyforprezzz) May 17, 2013 at 11:01 pm #

      transphobia is neither radical nor feminist.

      intersectionality is crucial when it comes to building inclusive and viable movements for deep ecological resistance.

      i wish you all the best, commenter.
      [but you are doing this whole social justice thing very very wrong, if you think that what you espouse is good for the earth.]

      all of us are creatures of this earth.
      we all deserve respect and we all have value.

      i also respect your own right to shoot yourself in the foot with bad politics, all the same. xoxo have fun with that.

    • Lisa Compton May 19, 2013 at 4:50 pm #

      Every advance made by transjacktivists is a loss for womyn. It really is a Zero-sum game which womyn are unsurprisingly losing. Really, we KNOW transgenders are severely mentally ill, and treating their illness by comforming to their warped perverse sense of reality is harmful to everyone. These “people” should be made to live exactly in accordance with their chromosomes, and should be given all the psychological help necessary for this outcome. The very existence of “transitioned” transgenders is insulting, confusing, an unnatural. I cannot understand why you people cannot grasp this fundamental truth. You continue to cater and kowtow to these deranged, sick cases like some ghastly joke. They definitely deserve our pity but NOT our passive acceptance.

      • Marti386 May 20, 2013 at 10:53 am #

        “Really, we KNOW transgenders are severely mentally ill, and treating their illness by conforming to their warped perverse sense of reality is harmful to everyone.”

        Oh, REALLY? We just “know” that every trans person EVER is “severely mentally ill”, huh? Gee, it’s not like THAT’S a horribly bigoted, ignorant and BASELESS claim, right?

        I’m SURE that you wouldn’t make such a massive generalization of an entire group of people unless you had overwhelming proof, right? TONS of data that support the supposition that trans people are crazy-bonkers? Maybe you’d be so kind as to list all that proof? Calling all trans people “dranged sick cases” would NEED some heavy duty medical data to back your opinion up.

        OTHERWISE, you’re just a sad, nasty little bigot, aren’t you?

      • Chad May 20, 2013 at 9:17 pm #

        I love that trans* people and their allies are often told by radscum that our views are “conservative”…

        Coming from people who say “Really, we KNOW transgenders are severely mentally ill, and treating their illness by comforming to their warped perverse sense of reality is harmful to everyone. These “people” should be made to live exactly in accordance with their chromosomes, and should be given all the psychological help necessary for this outcome.”

        Yeah, you’re the radicals and we’re the conservatives… riiiiiiight

      • cough May 20, 2013 at 11:13 pm #

        i’m pretty sure this was satire…

      • Lisa Compton May 21, 2013 at 8:52 am #

        Our beliefs are not satire nor conservative. The Revolution to end gender constructs is derailed by mentally ill “trans” who assert an identity that neither truly exists nor deserves ANY respect. Ultimately the only solution to the trans appropriation of womyn’s identity is to forcibly END the trans “phenomemon”. We support laws and actions to show the trans as the perverse, paedophilic, porn-diseased men they are such that the public will enact laws initially limiting their access to public facilities, and ultimately their access to medical transitions, hormones, and mutilatory surgery. The only solution to trans is the dissolution of trans. Kieth and Jenson understand this, why don’t YOU? Stand in solidarity with Cathy Brennan against the trans delusions.

      • IGTT 5/10 May 21, 2013 at 10:18 am #

        IGTT 5/10 for believability. The anti-trans people at least don’t say that shit in mixed company under so much scrutiny.

      • Shawn May 30, 2013 at 12:36 pm #

        So which contractor should we hire to build the gas chambers?

    • Shawn May 30, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

      “This is getting framed as targeting transpeople, when what it really is about, is definition of gender.”

      It’s being framed that way by many of it’s proponents, including the leadership of DGR. See the comments on this thread, as a start, and follow the rabbit hole.

      This “elimination of gender” concept is all fine and good until it turns to the elimination of people, (which it leads to inevitably). At best, DGR has a serious PR problem. At worst, it’s a fascist movement. Regardless, all signs point to a sinking ship.

  6. Marti386 May 20, 2013 at 3:27 pm #

    It’s funny. I’ve been watching Rachel Ivey’s clusterfuck of a “presentation” on gender, and all I can do is laugh.

    FIRST she celebrates Lierre Keith because “she is a woman who doesn’t hedge her words, doesn’t hold her tongue and really doesn’t accept liberal bullshit”, but her movement whines like spoiled babies when trans women and supporters utilize those SAME tactics. Even WHILE staging a protest in defense of free speech:

    Then she compares trans women to appropriating black culture, WHILE being a spoiled little white girl proudly sporting a nose ring SHE appropriated from other cultures.

    And THEN complains how trans people are bad because they “stereotype gender”, WHILE wearing a skirt (which is stereotypical gender based clothing) and exhibits such “stereotypical” feminine traits as long hair. Hmmm. I wonder how many CIS women in DGR are chastised for wearing the same “stereotypical” women’s clothing or makeup? Not many, I’ll bet.

    THEN she lists rape as an example of what happens to an oppressed class, while IGNORING the fact that trans women have an even HIGHER rate of rape, violence and murder than cis women (oh, and DON’T call her “cis”. Thats “offensive”).

    THEN she ignorantly claims trans women will forever have male privilege, regardless of appearance. Yeah, RIGHT. Maybe she can explain how me experiencing the SAME (actually HIGHER) chance of rape and violence as cis women, the same lower pay scale as cis women, the same sexual harassment as cis women is in ANY way “privilege”. Especially when you consider how trans women actually have LESS rights as a whole than cis women.

    2nd wave feminism is such utter RUBBISH. Seriously, feminism (and the WORLD) have moved on. Get your 20-something head out of the 60’s.

    Oh, and Rachel? maybe you should try using your college degree in women’s studies (something privileged white girls get to pursue, while poor and minority women are actually DEALING with the oppressions that only exist for you as an academic exercise) to do something about your own cis, white, abled, college educated, first world privilege BEFORE you start lecturing trans women on theirs, okay?



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